Interview with Luscious Jackson
 
  
Olga: Today’s Doctor Martin’s interview is with Kate and Gabby of Luscious Jackson.  Thank you very much for being here today.
 
Kate: That’s Dr. Kate to you.  And Dr. Gabby.
 
Gabby: That’s right.  Yeah.  We’ve actually gotten a degree in medicine while we’ve been on tour off the computer.
 
Kate:  We’re going to Internet College.  Internet University I should say.  Excuse me.  I have a Ph.D.
 
Olga: _____________________.
 
Kate: It’s hard because...
 
Gabby: Kinda gross.
 
Kate: It’s kinda gross.
 
Gabby: Yeah.  A lot of blood and...
 
Kate: Gore.
 
Gabby: ...flesh and cutting and....
 
Kate: And practicing all the surgical stuff while we’re driving is hard.
 
Gabby: Yeah.  And the rest of the band are pretty sensitive to it, so.
 
Kate: We take over the back lounge and sometimes we forget to put paper down.  It’s kinda gross.  Anyway.
 
Olga: So, what I’d like to do is get a little bit of a background from the two of you.  I know you guys have been friends for a long time.  So maybe you can tell us a little bit about your family and childhood and growing up together.
 
Kate:: Well, we didn’t really grow up together as like kiddy kids, but we did meet when we were about 14, 13, 14 in the nightclubs of New York City in the 80's.
 
Gabby: Can I say that 14-year-olds look like little, chiny children now?
 
Kate: Chiny children?  Or tiny children?
 
Gabby: Tiny children.  Tiny children.
 
Kate: Yeah.  And so did we.  Although you had a....
 
Gabby: Well, we thought we looked a lot older than we were, but now that we see the 14-year-olds when we play, they look really young.  You know what I mean?
 
Kate: I do.
 
Gabby: Jill looked very young.  Kate kind of was on the borderline.
 
Kate: Gabby always looked the same.
 
Gabby: And I still look the same.  Except a little more tired.
 
Olga: You guys were playing in nightclubs at 14?
 
Gabby: We were going to nightclubs, yeah.  Fake id’s, absolutely. _____________ get on a list for free.
 
Kate: We didn’t even really need id’s.
 
Gabby: No, it was just a very corrupt time in New York where no one really cared how old you were.  We never got proofed.  And when we went outside New York, we’d like go to Boston or something, and they’d be like, you need id, and we’re like, what?  We’re from New York.
 
Kate: Well, they’re strict in Boston.  I mean, you could be like 65 years old and they’ll be like, I gotta see id.  Like, oh, stop, you’ll flatter me.  And they’re like, no, I need id.  It’s true.  It’s true.
 
Olga: Did you guys grow up in New York?
 
Kate: Yes.
 
Gabby: Yeah, I grew up on the Lower East Side with my mom, and Kate grew up in the West Village.
 
Kate: Yes.
 
Olga: ______________________.
 
Gabby: Well, it’s a very complicated question.  I grew up just with my mom, and there’s been recent...this is an exclusive, ‘cause I’ve never talked about this before...but I think there are some people out there that are related to me.
Kate: Gabby said once.
 
Gabby: I have some siblings.  Quite a few.
 
Olga: So I take it your parents split up or something.
 
Gabby: Something like that.  I mean, I do respect my mom.  I really shouldn’t say much.  But, you know, I probably shouldn’t have said that just now either.  It’s a hard question - if you have any brothers and sisters.  I mean, I guess a few years ago I would have said no, but now I gotta say yes.  Anyway, how ‘bout you?
 
Kate: Yeah, I have a sister.  And older sister.  And I have a younger half brother who loves Smash Mouth, funny enough.
 
Olga: So are you close with your families at all?
 
Kate: I’m close to my sister, yes.
 
Gabby: Yeah, I’m very close to my mom and my uncle and aunt.  I don’t see my uncle and aunt too much.
 
Olga: So I imagine kind of growing up with your mom, and not really having a dad and the whole family thing, must have really left like quite an imprint on you at a young age, very different from whoever ___________________.
 
Gabby: Yeah, a lot of my friends had a lot of siblings and stuff.  I mean, I had a lot of friends when I was a kid, and I do really love my privacy, and I think there was definitely a time where I wanted a sibling and I asked my mom about it, and I don’t remember what she said.
 
Kate: Did you have an imaginary friend?
 
Gabby: No I didn’t.  Well, I had cats and I just was so in love with my first cat, Phoeny.  We used to sing to him and he’d sing to me, and we’re in love, you know.  Not in any sick sense, come on you guys.  But, yeah, it’s nice to be in a house with just...well, we lived in a studio too.  We probably couldn’t have fit anybody else in anyway.  There was just one room.  But you do get a lot of privacy when you’re in that small of a family.
 
Olga: So growing up and going to ___________ clubs, that sort of thing, was that what kind of inspired you to get into music and ________________.
 
Gabby: Yeah, different things.  I mean, I think for me it was not only, it was listening, it was like discovering music.  My mom had great taste in music, so we had great records in the house.  But then it wasn’t until I was 13 where I liked stuff on my own.  Like Patti Smith, back then, it was a long time ago.  Bruce Springsteen and Elvis Costello, my first record.  And John Birchman.  Anyway, there was a lot of stuff that when you like something on your own, you’re like, wow, you know.  And then the clubs just, forget about it.  Yeah, once I started going to Cbans clubs, I was like, wow, this is the scene for me, you know.  I hadn’t really clicked with any other social scene until then.
 
Olga: So then you just promptly signed up for lessons?
 
Gabby: No, it was kind of punk rock time, so you didn’t need lessons.  You just learned a couple of beats, started a band.
 
Olga: Did you guys have a mentor __________________
 
Gabby: Kinda, yeah, actually I had friends who were like 10 years older than me, and I definitely as a young teenager hung around them and just started to soak up their coolness.  There was definitely like an older generation that I was inspired by, for sure.
 
Kate: The club scene, there were so many different ages in the same room, and it wasn’t like, oh, you’re too young to hang out with us, or, oh, you’re too old to hang out with us.  Everyone loved music, and that was the common....
 
Gabby: Yeah, there were certain bands that would just draw like a really great mixed crowd.  But there was definitely older girls that I was like into.  Like, I thought they were really cool, like AC and all those kind of girls.
 
Kate: They were probably only like three years older than us, but back then, it’s a huge amount.
 
Gabby: No, she’s like six years older.  Anyway, blah, blah, blah.
 
Olga: So are you guys still in touch with ______________ people?
 
Kate:  Well, we’re in touch with a lot of our friends from New York, yeah.  We see them here and there.  I mean, a lot of people have moved away and then come back.  That’s why we’ve got a good job, ‘cause we get to see them like every other...
 
Gabby: Yeah, when we go around, definitely there’s like, oh, there’s so and so who moved to blah blah blah.  So that’s kind of a plus.
 
Olga: Do you find that now that you’ve achieved some sort of success that those kind of people come out of the woodwork, so they’re like, hey, I know you.  Back then they were just totally rude or mean or something.
 
Kate: Every once in a while there’s some freak who’s like, remember me from Danceteria? and I’m like, no.
 
Gabby: Yeah, I don’t know.  I don’t get that too much.  I don’t.
Olga: That brings me to my other question, especially the women in this business and being in the public eye a lot, have you ever dealt with kind of freaky bands or some sort of harassment or something like that, ________ just like, whoa.
 
Gabby: We’ve had like just a few instances where it seems like people are a little forward and they might give you some strange gift or....
 
Kate: Remember that weird letter we got?
 
Gabby: Yeah.  Every once in a while there’s some bizarro thing.
 
Olga: Did that upset you at all or worry you at all?
 
Gabby: No.
 
Kate: It’s not so bad.  I mean, I can’t imagine like for people who really have like the stalking thing, like Sarah McLaughlin had it really bad and Madonna and all these people.  That’s pretty intense.  I mean, we’re not at that kind of level of fame where we can’t walk out our door.
 
Gabby: Yeah, we’re all over the place in New York.  There’s no problems, so far, with people.
 
Kate: Yeah.
 
Gabby: You know, New York City’s also like, at least when we’re there, people aren’t that impressed by someone who’s somewhat known.  You know, they might look at you like, oh, they know you, but it’s not like...I mean, even growing up there, you’d see somewhat famous people and it was just, oh, there’s Yoko Ono, or there’s...
 
Kate: Patti Smith.
 
Gabby: There’s Sammy Davis, Jr.
 
Kate: Lou Reed __________.
 
Gabby: Yeah, Lou Reed’s all around all the time.
 
Kate: Yeah, he’s always walking around.  What’s wrong with him?
 
Olga: So, did you guys go to college at all?
 
Kate: Yeah.
 
Gabby: Um-hm.
 
Gabby: Did we graduate?  I don’t know.  I didn’t.
 
Kate: I did.
 
Gabby:  Everyone else did except me.
 
Kate:  Lose-ah.
 
Olga: Did you ever think about __________________ pressure or that you missed out on something, or not?
 
Gabby: I went to 3-1/2 years of college, so my thing was that I just wanted to take what I wanted to take, and I didn’t want to have the required math or the required this or required that, so I had a great time, and no, I don’t regret anything.  I’d love to take another class or a bunch of classes.
 
Kate: It’s never too late.
 
Gabby: Yeah.  I don’t know if I care about graduating.  It would be complicated, because I had a two-year film degree, and then 1-1/2 years of just general stuff, so I would have to really....
 
Kate:  You’d have to go to Hunter.  That’s where everyone returns to.
 
Gabby:  Really?
 
Kate:  That’s where I went to school.
 
Gabby:  I could do that.
 
Kate:  A lot of people who have had life experience return back to Hunter and get a degree. 
 
Gabby:  I don’t know.  A degree is just not important to me, actually.
 
Kate:  Yeah, it’s not necessary.  I think it’s kind of a hype.  I hate to say that, especially if anyone’s listening who is considering ___________.
 
Olga: _______________________
 
Kate: My sister had like half a year of college, and she’s excelled in her business and she’s a smart woman, and she’s creative, so it didn’t really matter for her.  But there was definitely growing up this pressure, like, you have to get a degree, you have to get a college degree.  You’ll never get anywhere.  And, yeah, in some cases I think people get shut out from jobs.  I think it’s opening up a bit with like, especially with like new technology and stuff.
 
Gabby: Yeah, if you’re really good at what you do.  As far as computers, let’s say you’ve been into them since you were 10, and you’re brilliant at it, the company’s not going care if you had a degree or not.  You know, as far as teachers, yeah, you have to get a degree, but there’s so many jobs where you don’t need a degree.  Hello.
 
Kate: Yeah, I mean, look at us.  We’re doctors.  And we don’t have a degree.
 
Gabby: I know.  Well, we’ve just finished our degree, so.
 
Kate: I guess they’re gonna e-mail it to us.
 
Gabby: What kind of doctor do you want to be, Kate? ____________ choice.
 
Kate: I’m gonna be a phlebotomist.
 
Gabby: I’m gonna go into animal massage therapy.
 
Kate: Animal massage.  Nice.
 
Olga: __________________ cats. ______________ already.
 
Kate: Oh, I love massaging their neck and their back.  It’s so cute.  They like it.
 
Gabby: Feline shiatsu.
 
Olga: ________________________.
 
Gabby: We should teach them how to do it. _________ should need to grow some fur.
 
Olga: So, like this pressure that you were talking about, did you feel that primarily with like parents?
 
Kate: Sort of, yeah, yeah.
 
Gabby: Absolutely.
 
Olga: How did they take it when you guys decided ______________ wanted to make a career out of music?
 
Kate: I think my mom was actually psyched about that, because she was musical, and our whole family was pretty musical.  And I had worked at a job and I had gotten my degree, whatever, so she knew that if this didn’t work out there was always things to fall back on.  But I think everybody knows it’s very rare to be able to make a living as a musician or an artist, so when you have that opportunity, you should be really thankful and enjoy it while you can.  ‘Cause tomorrow, newcareers.com, there’s a booth out there called newcareers.com, that’s where I’m gonna be later.
 
Olga: You mentioned that your family’s real musical.  What did they play and who were you exposed to?
 
Gabby: They did covers of Joni Mitchell.
 
Kate: My mom played guitar, and she was kind of a folky and she wrote songs.  And she sang, blah, blah, blah.  And my sister also sings in a chorus.  We all sang in the choir, stuff like that.  We all took piano lessons, you know, stuff like that.
 
Olga: ________________________.
 
Kate: I saw a female drummer, one of the first bands I ever saw, and I thought that was pretty cool, and then someone left a drum kit at my house and I started playing on it, and one thing led to another.  I learned those two beats you need to know for the punk rock world.  The next thing I knew I was in a band.
 
Olga: _____________ song writing _____________?
 
Kate: Not really.  The times I attempted it, the results were so corny that I was like, I’m not even going to try any more.
 
Gabby: I doubt that.
 
Kate: Believe me.
 
Gabby: She will soon be coming out with a completely written, amazing record, Kate Schellenbach, with amazing drum solos that we’ve been begging her to do some drum solos, so, soon to come. 
 
Kate: Dr. Kate Schellenbach.
 
Gabby: Dr. Kate Schellenbach.
 
Kate:  Hair doctor.  That’s why I didn’t do well in German, ‘cause I couldn’t roll _______ my r’s.  I did.  I took German and French.  Yah.  I was really bad, though.  I had to cheat all the time.  I had this tiny, little dictionary that was about this big that was a German dictionary.  It’s the only way I made it through. 
 
Gabby: I mean, if you went to sleep at a decent hour some night, you would have been able to go to school.
 
Kate: Yeah, I was really good at not doing any work and passing classes.
 
Gabby: It’s a talent in New York City if you go out a lot.
Kate: It really is.  You spend more energy trying to pass without doing any work than actually doing the work.
 
Gabby: And then getting right to the ________________.
 
Kate: But once I got to college, I realized that if I started doing reports like before they were due, I could actually do a good job and enjoy it and have fun.  College was good, ‘cause I think high school really screwed me up, and then college, took the classes I wanted to take and it was much more fun.  College rocks.
 
Olga: ____________ high school screwed you up.  How so?
 
Kate: I just think it’s a terrible time in your life, teenage years, for many reasons.  Most people are depressed and confused....
 
Gabby: It’s a big popularity contest pretty much.
 
Kate: But my school wasn’t even like that.  I think it’s just like hormonally screwed up.
 
Gabby: Well, yours was smarter, whatever.
 
Kate: But then once I got to college, I was still like operating on that, then I kind of got over that, enjoyed getting A’s and stuff.
 
Olga: So when did you feel like you finally became normal again, after all those awkward years ___________________ well, I actually feel good about myself ________________.
 
Kate: I don’t know if you ever get there.  I don’t know, I think it’s a constant struggle to feel normal.  I mean, normal to me isn’t really like the perfect state anyway.  But I think to feel good about yourself...
 
Gabby: I think for a lot of people that were going out and stuff, I think a lot of people really came into their own personality when they started going to these places, seeing these great bands and being around other people that also loved music, because before that, there is a lot of pockets of cliques and stuff, and it’s not necessarily your thing...
 
Kate: Yeah, once we sort of found I guess like this post-punk scene or whatever, punk scene in New York where there was a lot of freaky people and like people from all different class backgrounds and races and gay and straight, yeah, it was just, you know, all were welcome, and it was a really cool, supportive time.  But then, you know, even after that, I think it’s a constant struggle, especially for women, to have steady self-esteem and all those things and feel comfortable with who you are and how you look and all those wonderful issues.
 
Gabby: You go up and down, but I think you’re basically one way.  Like, I’m alright, might not look so good sometimes, but I’m alright.  Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t feel that way.  And unfortunately a lot of women specifically.
 
Olga: ____________ being in the public eye, and I’m sure, seeing all these magazines with emphasis on this really kind of small body, which is almost physically impossible to achieve, have you guys ever felt pressure to look a certain way, be a certain size?
 
Gabby: I personally haven’t, as far as feeling pressure.  I mean, my mom raised me...
 
Kate: Gabriel, you’re beautiful.
 
Gabby: Gabriel, you’re so beautiful.  No, but she wasn’t like emphasizing on looks at all either way.  And there’s definitely times when you’re like, things are just so unsightly, like when you have to bend over to like change the volume on an amp and you know that something’s dangling or whatever, you know...
 
Kate: Dangling?
 
Gabby: Well, yeah, the belly.  So, you know, you just, things get a little looser as you get older.  And we like exercising, we love it, but especially when you’re on tour, like a five-week tour, unless you really make an effort to get to the gym...
 
Kate: I’ve been exercising more since I’ve been on tour...
 
Gabby: I know you have.  Sometimes you can exercise more on tour if there is a bunch of gyms around and you’re motivated.  I had a lot of friends on these last few days we were here....
 
Kate: Excuses, excuses.
 
Gabby: No, what am I gonna do?
 
Kate: Take ‘em to the gym with you.
 
Gabby: No, I don’t think we’ve ever felt that kind of pressure.  I think we would laugh if that happened.  I mean, occasionally we’ll do like photo shoots and it tends to be with a more fashion-y magazines, and they’ll just have like sample sizes which are like size six or something, and we’re just like, ooh.  Excuse me, we’re not anorexic supermodels.  And not to say you’re not vain, either.  You want to look decent.  But we don’t care what other people look like and how we should look like them or magazines or anything.
 
Kate: That’s bueno.
 
Olga: So what do you think about ________________________
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Gabby: I think it’s wonderful that Mode Magazine came out for larger women, and hopefully Vogue regular, all those magazines that people just worship, hopefully they’ll start having, maybe they do, I don’t read....
 
Kate: You know, it’s not even larger women.  It’s normal-size women.  You know what I mean?  Like most women in the U.S. are size 14 or 16, like that’s the majority of women in America are that size.
 
Gabby: Because the girls growing up thinking they should be like that obviously, that’s very common, but also men grow up thinking that’s what they want as a model, you know, which is like, it’s funny.  I know guys like that myself, you know, like, oh, I got a really nice girlfriend, but I want to have a model.  It’s like, what kind of personality do you want from her.
 
Kate: But, yeah, I definitely get upset when I see like super, super skinny models or actors.  Yeah, sometimes it makes me like almost have a physical reaction to it, ‘cause it’s just like, oh, I just imagine the torture they go through to maintain that __________.
 
Gabby: Well, they look anorexic and they’re trying to lose weight and ascribe to the way the current trend is, and it’s sad.  But then there are people, like when I was a kid, I was really, really skinny, and I didn’t want to be.  I felt really flimsy and weak because I was so skinny and I wanted to gain weight really bad.  So there are people that are just naturally skinny.  Who knows who Calista Flockhart really is.  I have no idea.
 
Kate: I think that if people aren’t actually skinny, I don’t think people should be focusing on that either.
 
Gabby: Like I saw the woman, I don’t know her name, it’s an actress who is on Party of Five, she was like the girlfriend of the oldest one, the blonde one, and she got so, so, so, so, so skinny that it’s frightening, and I saw her on the street, walking down the street, and she was like smoking a cigarette, drinking a coffee, which is like classic anorexia behavior.  It made me like ill and sad for them, ‘cause you just know it’s such torture.  And I’ve known people who have eating disorders too, and it’s really sad.
 
Olga: __________________
 
Gabby: We like to let it all hang out and dangle.
 
Kate: Well we also, we love it all.  I love a little something on my man, a little gut, you know what I mean?  Actually, I really don’t like skinny, skinny guys at all.  Not that you asked, but it’s just something...
 
Olga: _____________________.
Kate: Everyone likes what they like.  I love redheads, I love, you know, all, you know, whatever.  I’m not going to go into it.  How about you?
 
Olga: _________________________.
 
Kate: No.  It’s getting perverted.  But, yeah, basically it’s just, ‘cause everyone’s got what your inclination is to like.  Some people really do like heavier or skinnier or whatever, and it’s sad that you get so programmed to...
 
Gabby: I think the whole obsession with weight is really sad when it in actuality should be on health, you know.  And also a lot of times weight doesn’t correspond to size, especially if you’re muscular ____________ or have big bones, or whatever
 
Kate: Or have children.
 
Gabby: Yeah.  If you’re healthy, that’s the important thing.  I mean you can be larger and healthy.  It’s fine.  Anyway.  Anyway.
 
Olga: So you guys have _____________ of your own?  Children, husband.
 
Gabby: Jill’s married, and me and Kate are not married to each other.  I have a dog.
 
Olga: Have you ever been like ____________ should be.  Do you ever get invited to weddings and you’re there and you’re the only swinging single and....
 
Gabby: I don’t care.  I’m not in that world at all.
 
Kate: No.  We’re not in that...
 
Gabby: I’ve only been to a couple weddings, and the people that have gotten married, it hasn’t been like that kind of scene.  And that’s another scary thing to me.
 
Kate: Yeah, if you want to get married and you take that as very seriously, that’s great, you know, who knows.  You know, I might want to get married some day.  It’s not something that has ever been on my list of I have to do, you know.  I don’t know.  A lot of people have great relationships without getting married, too.  But I think it is important to some people.  I know a friend of mine really wants to get married so bad, and it’s really a big Achilles heel in her relationship.  And they’re at a standstill ‘cause of it.  That’s sad.
 
Olga: What’s the most difficult thing that you’ve had to deal with in business?
 
Gabby: For me, I am really shy sometimes, like especially in front of a camera.  Especially the camera stuff.  I just go into instant geek.  I just wish I was more comfortable with that stuff.  I get anxiety about that.  Or if you do an interview and you said something stupid, which is really common for me...
 
Olga: Well, we edit this, so....
 
Gabby: So if you guys _______________ stupid, you’re gonna be like, oh, let’s be nice to Gavin.
 
Olga: I’m going to present you in the most flattering way possible, so.
Gabby: Thank you.
 
_______: You look good.
 
Gabby: Hah hah.  There you go. I think the most frustrating thing is when you do a body of work and then you like do a record or show or whatever, and then you have to _________ give it up to the powers that be to make it successful, be it label or radio or MTV or something, so you’re always relying on unreliable entities to further your career, and it can be really annoying and frustrating, ‘cause they might not understand what you’re doing or whatever.
 
Kate: It really kills your soul, yeah.  It’s like, you know, music is so pure and beautiful and something that you can’t even explain.  And then all of a sudden it’s gotta be labeled...
 
Gabby: Just a pain in the butt.
 
Kate: ...you know, from what you’ve done in the studio to out on the street, it’s a lot of work to get it out there, and by the time it’s out there, it’s like...
 
Gabby: And it’s too bad there’s so much business attached to it.  Too bad you can’t just make a record and then whoo-hoo, but it’s this marketing and...
 
Kate: Yeah.  The amount of non-musical activities that go along with making a record or being in a band is pretty amazing.
 
Olga: So, one of the questions we always ask people is, how do you feel about major labels versus independent labels?  Do you think one’s better than the other.  I know we already kind of touched on it a little bit.
 
Kate: I think stuff is really changing a lot and I think, even in the last few years we’ve seen a shift away from major labels supporting smaller artists, or artists that aren’t selling 500,000 records or more, whereas there was a lot of extra money I think to support like these smaller bands.  I don’t know how to put it.  Now there’s so much competition for people’s money, that record labels aren’t really trying to give anyone a career.  They’re just looking for hits.  And that’s why you see these sort of manufactured groups, or teen stars and all that stuff.
 
Gabby: There’s so many of them, yeah.
 
Kate: Yeah.  Because they’re going to be guaranteed.  Hey, if you spend like a million dollars marketing an artist who’s really good looking with like songwriters writing like perfect pop songs _______ there, of course they’re gonna sell, but you might spend that million dollars on like five smaller interesting cutting edge bands, but it’s not happening anymore, so it’s kinda sad.  So I think the indys will pick up some of that slack and I think a lot of bands are getting dropped, and I think that’s gonna continue.  And I think the Internet labels and stuff like that are gonna start taking off and hopefully change the business.  I think the way that the money split is set up for major labels is really, really screwed up, and that’s gotta change, so.  And indys usually have better deals with artists.  So that’s interesting.  We’ll see what happens.  I think the Internet will be sort of a decisive factor in the change.
 
Gabby: I say that’s a great answer there, Kate.
 
Kate: Thank ya.
 
Olga: Amen.
 
Kate: Amen. 
 
Olga: And another question we always like to ask is, if you had any advice for up and coming bands, independent bands, what would it be?
 
Kate: I gotta say with us, it helped to make a solid demo, whether it’s three songs...I think three songs is great.  I mean, if you want to do more, you can.  But I think a short...
 
Gabby: Concise.
 
Kate: ...a short, concise demo, and even if there’s like a cover song in there too, I mean, just as long as all songs are really good, you know.  And different is always great, you know.  Something that can kind of catch your ear.  Yeah.  And unfortunately, it’s a lot who you know, so you can’t really just make that one up.  But there is that, you know, the connection thing.  But, yeah, if you’ve got a really great thing to present, then you’re halfway there, I think.
 
Gabby: I’m trying to think if __________________.
 
Kate: Well, playing live, you know.  You can start, you know, you play live locally and get a following.  It can be hard.  I mean, in New York, there are so many bands and stuff, but there have been bands that broke out of that circuit.  Then there have also been bands that never left the circuit.  So it’s hard.
 
______: Stay in school.
 
Kate: Stay in school, fool.
 
Gabby: Hugs, not drugs.
 
Olga: Well, we have some shoes for you.
 
Gabby: Realllly.
 
Kate: Well, we win shoes.
 
Gabby: Well, thank you.
 
Kate:  How do you know what size we are?
 
______: We know everything.
 
Olga: Well, we sent out little spies to find out.
 
Kate:  Did you really?  Very interesting.
 
Gabby:  Thank you.
 
Kate: I’m afraid to open it.
 
Gabby: Why?
 
Kate: Boots!